Banging Our Heads on the Debt Ceiling

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy holds press conference on debt-ceiling deal

In this week’s The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman untangle the holiday weekend debt-ceiling deal between President Joe Biden and Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) and consider the recent sentencing of Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes for his role in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

00:50: President Biden and Speaker McCarthy announce debt-ceiling deal

28:45: Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes sentenced to 18 years in prison.

44:35: Weekly Listener Question

00:00: Ron DeSantis officially announces his run for the White House

54:40: This week’s cultural recommendations

Mentioned in this podcast:

Debt Ceiling Deal Curtails GOP-Backed Budget Cuts, Spending Caps,” by Eric Boehm

Debt Ceiling Bill ‘Locks in the Inflated Spending Levels of Recent Years,’” by Elizabeth Nolan Brown

3 Reasons Why The Debt-Ceiling Debate is Full of Malarkey,” by Nick Gillespie and Meredith Bragg

Why We Need Less Debt, and Fast!” by Nick Gillespie and Mark McDaniel

What We Talk About When We Talk About the Debt Ceiling: Nothing Much, Sadly,” by Nick Gillespie

Stewart Rhodes Gets 18 Years After the DOJ Reiterates a Conspiracy Claim That Jurors Rejected,” by Jacob Sullum

Punishing Rioters Is Wise. Bogus ‘Seditious Conspiracy’ Charges Are Not.” by J.D. Tuccille

Storks Don’t Take Orders From the State,” by Elizabeth Nolan Brown

Can Governments Increase Birthrates? Should They?” by Nick Gillespie

My Parents Were ‘Somebody Else’s Babies’—And Model Americans,” by Nick Gillespie

Let It Breed by Nick Gillespie

The Real Class Warfare Is Baby Boomers vs. Younger Americans,” by Nick Gillespie

DeSantis Announces Too-Online Campaign in Most Online Way Imaginable,” by Eric Boehm

Succession Is a Darkly Comic Warning About the Transfer of Generational Power,” by Peter Suderman

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Audio production by Ian Keyser; assistant production by Hunt Beaty.

Music: “Angeline,” by The Brothers Steve

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