American Woman Tells Hongkongers ‘Safety Is More Important Than Freedom’

Footage went viral this week of a woman, apparently from the United States, telling off some Hong Kong protesters for desecrating their city with protest posters and graffiti.

“Is this OK? Is this respectful?” she asks, pointedly gesturing to a defaced nearby wall, before trailing off with a tone-deaf trump card, “If my mother saw me write this…”

The woman then questions Hongkongers about the aims of their protests, which are now in their 16th week. The protests started over an extradition bill that would have allowed suspected criminals to be sent to mainland China, but they have expanded to embrace broader demands for more liberty and self-government.

Hong Kong is technically part of China, but the city’s citizens are allowed far more freedom—including freedom of the press and the right to elect some of their legislators—under the “one country, two systems” policy, which will be sunsetted in 2047. Many Hongkongers fear being placed under authoritarian Chinese rule, knowing that on the mainland censorship is the norm, the Communist Party must be appeased at every twist and turn, and political opponents get disappeared (often before showing up on state-run TV with a tearful coerced confession or histrionic display of remorse).

“Find me one case where violence led to a solution,” the woman in the video challenges the Hongkongers. “What a waste of time for everybody,” she says of the demonstrations. In fact, the protests have had at least one significant, if tentative, success: Hong Kong’s chief executive, Carrie Lam, conceded one of the movement’s five demands three weeks ago by withdrawing the bill that set off the protests.

“You guys value freedom more than safety. Do you agree? I think safety is more important than freedom,” the American says. “If you have a safe environment, you can communicate.”

But it’s freedom of speech that lets people be free of legal retribution for the words they say. It’s freedom of speech that allows people wide latitude in how they express themselves, and where, and to whom. A “safety” enforced and ensured by an authoritarian police force is a fickle promise if you piss off the people in charge, and it doesn’t necessarily mean safety for everyone. Sometimes one person’s feeling of safety comes at the expense of other people’s freedoms. Hongkongers, attempting to keep Beijing’s influence at bay, are keenly aware of this.

“China’s thinking is safety is more important than freedom,” the woman claims, before beginning to chip away at posters with her nail. “We shouldn’t do this! This is my city, too!”

At one point she speaks something that sounds like Cantonese. So she could be an expat living in Hong Kong, concerned about the degree to which the city’s been torn apart by civil unrest. But her safetysplaining makes it clear that she either doesn’t understand or just doesn’t care about how high the stakes are. One gets the impression that she hasn’t had her freedom seized for the sake of someone else’s safety.

Under full Chinese rule, Hongkongers will get neither freedom nor safety. An authoritarian regime that forces subservience to the party cannot be trusted to provide either one.

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Short Circuit Podcast on the First Amendment and Student Newspaper Funding,

I much enjoyed participating in this podcast, which was taped in front of a student audience Wednesday here at UCLA; here is IJ’s summary of the three cases my UCLA colleague Richard Re, Robert Everett Johnson (Jones Day), and I discussed:

After a student newspaper at the University of California, San Diego published a piece satirizing safe spaces and trigger warning, the student newspaper pulled funding for all print media. A First Amendment violation? And…

When doling out federal grant money for community policing efforts, the DOJ gives preference to local departments that promise to cooperate with federal immigration efforts. Which, says Los Angeles, would actually undermine community trust in police. Did the DOJ exceed the powers delegated to it by Congress? And …

Religious organizations need not comply with some aspects of the Americans with Disabilities Act. But does the so-called “ministerial exception” extend to a Catholic school that fired a fifth grade teacher who needed time off for chemotherapy?

 

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“It’s All Going To Help Him”: Normal Democrats See Little Upside To Impeaching Trump, Worry It Will Backfire 

“It’s All Going To Help Him”: Normal Democrats See Little Upside To Impeaching Trump, Worry It Will Backfire 

Democrat voters surveyed by Reuters fear that impeaching President Trump over the Biden-Ukraine scandal will backfire, giving him a boost into the 2020 US election.  In short, Congressional Democrats looking to impeach have major credibility issues after the Mueller report failed to show that Trump ‘colluded’ with Russia, and a transcript of his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky failed to show Trump strongarming him into investigating former Vice President Joe Biden and his coke addict son.

Among the public, interviews with more than 60 voters across four of the most important counties in the 2020 election showed Republicans largely confident the impeachment process will backfire and Trump will win re-election. Democrats, on the other hand, are worried they may be right.

Marc Devlin, a 48-year-old consultant from Northampton County, Pennsylvania, said he expects the inquiry to “incense” supporters of the president. “This is my fear, that it will actually add some flame to his fire with his base,” he said. “I just fear ‘party over country.’”

Meanwhile:

A Reuters/Ipsos poll taken on Monday and Tuesday showed 37% of respondents favored impeaching the president versus 45% who were opposed. That 37% figure was down from 41% three weeks earlier and down from 44% in May, after the release of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election. –Reuters

“After this he has a much better chance of winning another election, as scary as that sounds,” said 39-year-old Richard Sibilla of Pinellas County, Florida, who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. “It’s not even worth following because it’s all going to help him.” 

Reuters is monitoring voters in four key parts of the country that could determine the outcome of next year’s November election; Pinellas County, Florida; Maricopa County, Arizona; Northampton County, Pennsylvania; and Racine County, Wisconsin – areas which will be among the most targeted by presidential candidates next year.

Republicans, as expected, are firmly in Trump’s camp. 

I don’t think he did anything wrong,” said 78-year-old barber shop owner Joe D’Ambrosio of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, who applauds Trump’s efforts to crack down on illegal innovation. 

“I have not had one Republican crack or say they’re turning or going the other way. They’re laughing it off. I think it’s going to help him,” said Lee Snover, chair of the Northampton County Republican Committee, who said she felt the impeachment inquiry was simply the latest Democrat attempt to take out Trump. 

That sentiment was shared at a meeting of College Republicans United at Arizona State University on Wednesday.

“They have this idea that everyone is siding with them, that Trump is an impeachable president, when really it’s only a minority,” Rose Mulet, 19, said of the Democratic leadership in Congress. “It’s not a reflection of the general public.” –Reuters

That said, Reuters was able to find at least one Republican who Trump managed to piss off enough to not only not vote for him again – but to endorse impeachment. 

“It should have been done a long time ago,” said 52-year-old Chris Harman of Maricopa County, who said he voted for Trump in 2016. “I’m not voting for Trump. I tried it, it was a grand experiment, but I’m not going to try it again.” 

 


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This Obnoxious Drunk’s Opinions Could Earn Him an Extra 59 Months Behind Bars

There is little question that Timothy Trybus, the obnoxious drunk who angrily confronted Mia Irizarry as she was preparing for a birthday party at a Chicago park in June 2018, was guilty of disorderly conduct. He may also have committed simple assault. But both of those offenses are Class C misdemeanors, punishable by up to 30 days in jail. So why does he face up to five years in prison?

It is entirely because of the opinions Trybus expressed during his tirade, which this week led a jury to convict him of two felony hate crimes.

This case is highly instructive for anyone who doubts that hate crime laws punish people for what would otherwise be constitutionally protected speech. If Trybus had yelled at Irizarry because he hates birthday parties or because she was wearing a Green Bay Packers hat, he might still have been arrested for harassing her, but he would not be facing a prison sentence. Because he yelled at Irizarry about her Puerto Rican flag T-shirt, his misdemeanors became felonies.

A viral cellphone video recorded by Irizarry, which shows an audibly intoxicated and belligerent Trybus repeatedly harassing her, provided the damning evidence of his benighted views. “Why are you wearing that?” Trybus asks, pointing at the flag shirt. “This is America….You’re not gonna change us, you know that?…You should not be wearing that in the United States of America….If you’re an American citizen, you should not be wearing that shirt in America.”

Under Illinois law, Trybus’ behavior pretty clearly qualified as disorderly conduct, which includes “any act” performed “in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace.” His actions may also have amounted to assault, a charge that applies to anyone who “without lawful authority…knowingly engages in conduct which places another in reasonable apprehension of receiving a battery.”

Trybus’ lawyer, David Goldman, questioned whether Irizarry was “reasonably in fear of receiving a battery,” noting that he never touched her and that she remained calm throughout the episode. But in these circumstances, it would not be unreasonable for an unaccompanied woman to fear that the angry, intoxicated man who repeatedly rebuked her and refused to leave her alone might be capable of violence.

Either way, both of these offenses are misdemeanors. What made them felonies was the Illinois hate crime law, which applies “when, by reason of the actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion, ancestry, gender, sexual orientation, physical or mental disability, or national origin of another individual or group of individuals,” someone commits any of several offenses, including assault and disorderly conduct. A hate crime is a Class 4 felony, punishable by up to three years in prison, for a first offense and a Class 3 felony, punishable by two to five years in prison, for a second offense if it is committed in “a public park.”

To put it another way, the maximum sentence for Trybus’ offenses is 60 times as long as it would have been if prosecutors had not invoked the hate crime statute. And that staggering multiplier applies purely because the object of his ire was the Puerto Rican flag on Irizarry’s shirt, suggesting that he targeted her because of her race, color, or ancestry. Trybus could spend an extra 59 months behind bars for no reason other than the content of his beliefs, as opposed to the manner in which he expressed them. That clearly amounts to punishing him for his opinions, which is not something the government should be doing in a society that claims to respect freedom of conscience and freedom of speech.

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This Obnoxious Drunk’s Opinions Could Earn Him an Extra 59 Months Behind Bars

There is little question that Timothy Trybus, the obnoxious drunk who angrily confronted Mia Irizarry as she was preparing for a birthday party at a Chicago park in June 2018, was guilty of disorderly conduct. He may also have committed simple assault. But both of those offenses are Class C misdemeanors, punishable by up to 30 days in jail. So why does he face up to five years in prison?

It is entirely because of the opinions Trybus expressed during his tirade, which this week led a jury to convict him of two felony hate crimes.

This case is highly instructive for anyone who doubts that hate crime laws punish people for what would otherwise be constitutionally protected speech. If Trybus had yelled at Irizarry because he hates birthday parties or because she was wearing a Green Bay Packers hat, he might still have been arrested for harassing her, but he would not be facing a prison sentence. Because he yelled at Irizarry about her Puerto Rican flag T-shirt, his misdemeanors became felonies.

A viral cellphone video recorded by Irizarry, which shows an audibly intoxicated and belligerent Trybus repeatedly harassing her, provided the damning evidence of his benighted views. “Why are you wearing that?” Trybus asks, pointing at the flag shirt. “This is America….You’re not gonna change us, you know that?…You should not be wearing that in the United States of America….If you’re an American citizen, you should not be wearing that shirt in America.”

Under Illinois law, Trybus’ behavior pretty clearly qualified as disorderly conduct, which includes “any act” performed “in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace.” His actions may also have amounted to assault, a charge that applies to anyone who “without lawful authority…knowingly engages in conduct which places another in reasonable apprehension of receiving a battery.”

Trybus’ lawyer, David Goldman, questioned whether Irizarry was “reasonably in fear of receiving a battery,” noting that he never touched her and that she remained calm throughout the episode. But in these circumstances, it would not be unreasonable for an unaccompanied woman to fear that the angry, intoxicated man who repeatedly rebuked her and refused to leave her alone might be capable of violence.

Either way, both of these offenses are misdemeanors. What made them felonies was the Illinois hate crime law, which applies “when, by reason of the actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion, ancestry, gender, sexual orientation, physical or mental disability, or national origin of another individual or group of individuals,” someone commits any of several offenses, including assault and disorderly conduct. A hate crime is a Class 4 felony, punishable by up to three years in prison, for a first offense and a Class 3 felony, punishable by two to five years in prison, for a second offense if it is committed in “a public park.”

To put it another way, the maximum sentence for Trybus’ offenses is 60 times as long as it would have been if prosecutors had not invoked the hate crime statute. And that staggering multiplier applies purely because the object of his ire was the Puerto Rican flag on Irizarry’s shirt, suggesting that he targeted her because of her race, color, or ancestry. Trybus could spend an extra 59 months behind bars for no reason other than the content of his beliefs, as opposed to the manner in which he expressed them. That clearly amounts to punishing him for his opinions, which is not something the government should be doing in a society that claims to respect freedom of conscience and freedom of speech.

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Pets Are Now As Unaffordable As College, Housing, And Healthcare

Pets Are Now As Unaffordable As College, Housing, And Healthcare

Authored by Charles Hugh Smith via OfTwoMinds blog,

Like so many other things that were once affordable, owning pets is increasingly pricey.

One of the few joys still available to the average household is a pet. At least this is what I thought until I read 5 money-saving tips people hate, which included the lifetime costs of caring for a pet.

It turns out Poochie and Kittie are as unaffordable as college, housing and healthcare (and pretty much everything else). Over the course of 15 years, small-dog Poochie will set the owner back an eye-watering $17,560 to $93,520, while big-dog Fido costs $22,025 to $82,929 over 12 years.

Kittie is a relative bargain at $16,800 over 15 years.

Some estimates of responsible pet ownership are considerably lower, but non-pet owners may be surprised by 1) how many options for the care of pets are now available and 2) how many medical interventions and treatments are now available, at prices that aren’t much different from human healthcare.

Five-figure bills for pet surgeries and other care are not uncommon.

Unfortunately, pets aren’t able to tell us they don’t want any extraordinary measures taken to extend their lives, and so households may agree to procedures they really can’t afford.

Here is an excerpt from the article:

The SPCA lists the cost of pets as follows:

— Over 15 years, total costs for a small dog could run from $17,560 to upward of $93,520.

— Over a 12-year lifetime, the costs of a large dog range from $22,025 to upward of $82,929 for folks using dog walkers.

— All told, cost of cats will be at least $780 a year and $16,800 over its possible 15-year existence.

— American Kennel Club: “The average lifetime cost of raising a dog is $23,410.”

— US News: “RaisingSpot.com, which provides tips on raising a dog, suggests a dog that lives 12 years might cost you anywhere between $4,620 and $32,990.”

— Pet Place: “An indoor cat’s total estimated lifetime cost is $8,620 to $11,275.” Note: Outdoor cats live much shorter lives and thus cost less.

There’s even a pet cost calculator if you want to find the cost of your pet.

To summarize, a dog is going to cost roughly $20,000 while cats will be closer to $10,000.

Now, if you own multiple animals at the same time, not to mention several over the course of your adult lifetime, we’re talking a massive amount of money.

But… “My dog/cat doesn’t cost anywhere near that much. I pay $30 a month to feed him and that’s it.”

Uh, no it’s not. Here’s a list of expenses you just left out:

— Vaccines

— Flea/tick control

— Heartworm prevention

— Ear and dental care

— Grooming

— Food (Premium?)

— Toys

— House (fenced backyard? cleaning? etc.)

— Bowls, collar, leash/harness

— Cost of pet (if from breeder)

— Boarding

— Training

— Walking (yes, some people pay walkers)

And then there’s the big one: medical costs. This is where things get really pricey, especially toward the end of a pet’s life.

As I said earlier, how you spend your money is your choice. You simply need to realize that two dogs throughout your 50-year adulthood will run you somewhere around $150k. That’s $3,000 a year.

$3,000 a year saved and invested at 8% for 50 years equals $1.7 million.

Even if you spend ‘only’ half that amount, it’s still costing you a fortune.

Now that you understand how much your pets cost you, you can make an informed decision about where to spend and where to save.

Like so many other things that were once affordable, owning pets is increasingly pricey.

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‘Telecontraception’ Secret-Shopper Study Shows Safety of Online Birth Control Services

Yet another study has concluded that the hoops U.S. women must currently jump through to obtain birth control are unnecessary. In “A Study of Telecontraception,” published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers show that it can be safe to get a birth control pill prescription through online consultation and then receive the medicine.

The researchers employed “secret shoppers” to seek birth control prescriptions online, with some indicating conditions that would make it unsafe to take certain brands or, in some cases, to take any oral contraceptive at all. The study was limited—it involved seven women, nine companies, and 63 virtual visits between October 2018 and March 2019. But the results are promising.

In almost all cases—93 percent—the providers followed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidelines. Oral contraceptives were prescribed in just three out of 45 visits with potential red flags. That, the authors say, suggests “adherence to guidelines among telecontraception vendors may be higher than it is among clinics that provide in-person visits.”

Writing in the New England Journal of Medicine letters section yesterday, the authors—Tara Jain, Eleanor B. Schwarz, and Ateev Mehrotra, all of Harvard Medical School—define telecontraception as “the provision of contraception through a website or smart-phone app” and note that it has “recently emerged as an alternative to provision at clinic visits.” Some of their findings:

Each visit lasted a mean of 7.5 minutes, during which patients completed an online  questionnaire. Two vendors provided a video call during the visit immediately after patients completed the questionnaire. In 20 visits (32%), a follow-up interaction occurred in the form of text messaging with three vendors, a phone call with two vendors, and a video call with one vendor. Three vendors did not require patient–provider interaction. A prescription was sent electronically to a local pharmacy on the same day as the visit or mailed to the patient’s home within a mean of 7 days (range, 3 to 14 days). The mean total cost (including the initial visit and any required follow-up visits) for a 12-month prescription for an uninsured patient was $313 (range, $67 to $519).

Yesterday was also “World Contraception Day,” marked by a push to make birth control pills available over-the-counter. Activists aim to “free the pill” from doctor’s visits, prescriptions, and trips to the pharmacy. It’s a policy that many medical professionals have recommended, it could go a long way toward curbing unintended pregnancies, and it could truly expand access (not just insurance coverage) when it comes to birth control.

Emergency contraception has for years been available without a prescription. But politics and bureaucracy have prevent the same from happening with regular birth control pills.

This week the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists updated its 2012 recommendation to say that not just the pill but all forms of hormonal birth control, include vaginal rings and contraceptive patches, should be available over the counter.

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‘Telecontraception’ Secret-Shopper Study Shows Safety of Online Birth Control Services

Yet another study has concluded that the hoops U.S. women must currently jump through to obtain birth control are unnecessary. In “A Study of Telecontraception,” published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers show that it can be safe to get a birth control pill prescription through online consultation and then receive the medicine.

The researchers employed “secret shoppers” to seek birth control prescriptions online, with some indicating conditions that would make it unsafe to take certain brands or, in some cases, to take any oral contraceptive at all. The study was limited—it involved seven women, nine companies, and 63 virtual visits between October 2018 and March 2019. But the results are promising.

In almost all cases—93 percent—the providers followed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidelines. Oral contraceptives were prescribed in just three out of 45 visits with potential red flags. That, the authors say, suggests “adherence to guidelines among telecontraception vendors may be higher than it is among clinics that provide in-person visits.”

Writing in the New England Journal of Medicine letters section yesterday, the authors—Tara Jain, Eleanor B. Schwarz, and Ateev Mehrotra, all of Harvard Medical School—define telecontraception as “the provision of contraception through a website or smart-phone app” and note that it has “recently emerged as an alternative to provision at clinic visits.” Some of their findings:

Each visit lasted a mean of 7.5 minutes, during which patients completed an online  questionnaire. Two vendors provided a video call during the visit immediately after patients completed the questionnaire. In 20 visits (32%), a follow-up interaction occurred in the form of text messaging with three vendors, a phone call with two vendors, and a video call with one vendor. Three vendors did not require patient–provider interaction. A prescription was sent electronically to a local pharmacy on the same day as the visit or mailed to the patient’s home within a mean of 7 days (range, 3 to 14 days). The mean total cost (including the initial visit and any required follow-up visits) for a 12-month prescription for an uninsured patient was $313 (range, $67 to $519).

Yesterday was also “World Contraception Day,” marked by a push to make birth control pills available over-the-counter. Activists aim to “free the pill” from doctor’s visits, prescriptions, and trips to the pharmacy. It’s a policy that many medical professionals have recommended, it could go a long way toward curbing unintended pregnancies, and it could truly expand access (not just insurance coverage) when it comes to birth control.

Emergency contraception has for years been available without a prescription. But politics and bureaucracy have prevent the same from happening with regular birth control pills.

This week the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists updated its 2012 recommendation to say that not just the pill but all forms of hormonal birth control, include vaginal rings and contraceptive patches, should be available over the counter.

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Indian airline passenger caught smuggling gold in his man boobs

Are you ready for this week’s absurdity? Here’s our Friday roll-up of the most ridiculous stories from around the world that are threats to your liberty and finances.

And for our Jewish readers, l’shanah tovah tikatev v’taihatem.

NBC news wants you to confess your climate sins

Bless me media, for I have sinned.

NBC news is soliciting comments from readers on how they could do more to prevent climate change.

“Even those who care deeply about the planet’s future can slip up now and then,” the website reads, “Tell us: Where do you fall short in preventing climate change? Do you blast the A/C? Throw out half your lunch? Grill a steak every week? Share your anonymous confession with NBC News.”

One man confessed to using k-cups, the individual serving plastic coffee cups, at work, and hiding this fact from his wife.

Another read, “I claimed that I’m vegan but secretly still eating chicken and I feel terrible!”

Doesn’t it feel good to confess your climate sins?

Yeah, this is definitely not a cult.

Click here for the full story.

Airline passenger caught smuggling gold in his man boobs

Customs officials at Indira Gandhi International Airport in Delhi received a tip about a passenger who had just arrived on Aeroflot flight 272 from Moscow yesterday.

Upon a thorough inspection, the customs officers found nearly $50,000 worth of gold hidden in the man’s brazier… as well as a lady’s purse that was packed in his suitcase.

This is actually an offense in India, which has completely Draconian and idiotic laws related to gold.

People in India do not trust their money; they know the government plays games with the currency, and that’s why they’ve traditionally diversified their savings into gold.

It’s so ridiculous that, in 2016, the Indian government even cancelled the 500 and 1,000 rupee notes. They thought they were combating tax fraud. But given India’s vast, unbanked population, they just ended up plunging the country into chaos.

Indian officials further screw over their citizens by heavily regulating the movement of gold into/out of India.

Key lessons: It makes sense to store some gold in a safe place overseas, away from your home country. And… never travel with gold through India.

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UK’s Labour Party wants to ban private schools

The United Kingdom’s Labour Party approved a new platform at last week’s annual conference.

The party pledged to ban private schools and “absorb” them into the public education system if they come to power in the next election.

The platform states, “the ongoing existence of private schools is incompatible with Labour’s pledge to promote social justice”.

So the plan is to nationalize private schools, and seize their assets to be “redistributed democratically and fairly across the country’s educational institutions”.

It’s the only fair way to bring down “systems of privilege”.

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Cop arrests 6 year old girl for throwing a tantrum

A six year old girl kicked someone at school while throwing a tantrum.

So the school resource officer handcuffed her, brought here to a juvenile detention facility where she was fingerprinted and had a mugshot taken.

Then they informed the family about the arrest, and allowed them to take the little girl home.

This same officer had actually arrested an eight year old boy earlier the same week. Both times he failed to get the required approval from his boss before arresting the children, and no one from the school saw fit to step in.

And no, this is not the same incident we talked about a couple weeks ago where a school resource officer handcuffed an autistic 8 year old boy.

This officer was hired to work in a school with young children, despite having previous complaints for tasing someone five times unnecessarily, and being charged with abusing his own child back in the 90s.

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Trolling Russia “Hopes” White House Refrains From Releasing Putin-Trump Calls

Trolling Russia “Hopes” White House Refrains From Releasing Putin-Trump Calls

With Democrats going all-in with a rare impeachment process  for the fourth time ever in American history — it appears Moscow couldn’t resist the opportunity to troll, while also perhaps legitimately slamming what is a deeply unusual practice in foreign relations. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s office is said to be bristling over the “embarrassing” release the Trump call transcript — which of course means Kremlin officials have grabbed the popcorn to sit back and enjoy the show. 

“The Kremlin says it hopes the US will not release the transcripts of Vladimir Putin’s phone calls with Donald Trump after a whistleblower claimed the White House was hiding records of the US president’s phone conversations with foreign leaders,” FT reports from Moscow.

Spokesman for President Putin’s office, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters on Friday that Russia “would of course like to hope that we won’t get to that kind of situation in our bilateral relations, which are already full of extremely serious problems.”

“This practice is fairly unusual; as a rule, materials from conversations between world leaders are usually classified secret or top secret and not published,” he said, according to an Interfax report cited in FT. 

Meanwhile Politico reported Thursday that “The White House annoyed and embarrassed Ukraine’s president by releasing his comments in a private conversation with President Donald Trump — and may have violated the Ukrainian constitution.”

Trump and and confident Putin at their Helsinki summit in July 2018, via Reuters.

Zelenskiy said in the aftermath of the transcript’s release, which he may or may not have been warned about shortly ahead of time: “I think such things, such conversations between heads of independent states, they shouldn’t be published,” according to Politico.

Media commentators fairly unanimously mocked what appeared to be the Ukrainian president’s seeming attitude of abject groveling and fawning over Trump — something which would have likely remained more hidden if he knew the whole world would later see his words. 


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