Angry Trump Demands Congressional Probe Into NBC Leak Of Top Secret Intelligence Report

On Thursday evening, during one of his latest Tweetstorms, Trump criticized leaks to several media outlets detailing contents of the classified Russian hacking report which Trump is set to go over any minute.

The leaks came before Trump’s own briefing on those details by the intelligence community. The 50-page report was delivered to US President Barack Obama on Thursday, and is to be delivered to President-elect Donald Trump on Friday by top intelligence officials, including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and CIA Director John Brennan, the Washington Post reports, one of several outlets that were given priority over the president-elect in learning the details of the document. CNN and NBC News also reported on the classified report, sparking outrage from Trump.

“How did NBC get ‘an exclusive look into the top secret report he (Obama) was presented?’ Who gave them this report and why? Politics!” Trump said in a tweet.

Then, moments ago, following his interview with the NYT this morning in which he suggested that the storm surrounding Russian hacking during the presidential campaign is “a political witch hunt” being carried out by his adversaries, who he said were embarrassed by their loss to him in the election last year, and just prior to the debriefing by US intelligence agencies meant to prove to Trump once and for all that Putin was indeed responsible for his election, an angry Trump doubled down and tweeted that he is “asking the chairs of the House and Senate committees to investigate top secret intelligence shared with NBC prior to me seeing it.”

As noted before, NBC News on Thursday reported that U.S. intelligence found Russian officials celebrating Trump’s election win.  NBC cited “a senior U.S. intelligence official with direct knowledge” of the intel report that was delivered to President Obama on Thursday and is scheduled to be delivered to Trump on Friday.

“Highly classified intercepts illustrate Russian government planning and direction of a multifaceted campaign by Moscow to undermine the integrity of the American political system,” NBC quotes the source  saying. “What you will see is that there were evolving goals over time. At the end, they were trying to elect Trump,” the source adds.

A declassified version of the report is expected to be released to the public on Friday.

NBC’s story came after the Washington Post first reported details from the review.

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On the surface, Trump’s unwillingness to bury the hatchett with the intelligence services just ahead of the Russian hack briefing, suggests that he will not back off his criticism of the US narrative that Russia is behind the “hacking of the election”, and confirms that Trump has every intention of continuing his crackd down on media reports, especially when it comes to what he believes are strategic leaks meant to direct the public narrative ahead of time, as the WaPo did last night.

We eagerly look forward to Trump comments, either on Twitter or elsewhere, following today’s meeting.

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Trump`s Voodoo Economics (Video)

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We delve into the finer details of Trump`s economic plan to get a substantive view on its effects for spurring true economic growth and it is severally lacking, and in fact only going to exacerbate the out of control National Debt and Budget Deficit Issues. We see recession a likely result in next 16 months in the economy. What we have is a spending problem, we cannot afford a fiscal stimulus program once you look at the economic numbers, this will send the economy straight into recession.

We cannot afford interest on the National Debt to rise with a more than doubling of our national debt since the last time interest rates were normalized. Lowering taxes is only going to increase the national debt and exacerbate our budgetary problems which have been sliding under the radar due to low interest rates, well now the real problem of too much debt is front and center for politicians too come to terms with.

We need major spending cuts and a reallocation of budgetary resources, a complete budget overhaul, and that means less government to start with, government needs to be downsized, the military industrial complex needs to be downsized, and healthcare needs major structural reform as an industry.

 

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Protesting This New-Fangled Sales Tax

When states started enacting general sales taxes in the 1930s, it wasn’t long before there were songs complaining about the new levies. In 1934, the Mississippi Sheiks recorded “Sales Tax,” which starts with a spoken skit in which the band is alarmed to learn that they now need to pay three cents more for their cigarettes.

“They say that’s the government’s rule,” one of the Sheiks explains.

“The government’s rule?” another replies. “Well, there’s lots of things sold that the government knows anything about.” And then the bluesmen break into a song where even the bootleggers and prostitutes are now charging extra for their services:

You might be curious why anyone would still be buying liquor from a bootlegger in 1934, a year after the Prohibition Amendment was repealed. Answer: These were the Mississippi Sheiks, and Prohibition in Mississippi lasted a lot longer than Prohibition nationwide. It was the last place to keep a statewide alcohol ban on the books, eliminating it not in 1933 but in 1966:

(For past editions of the Friday A/V Club, go here. If you want to see one about repealing alcohol regs in the South, go here.)

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Trump Slams Russian Hack As “Political Witch Hunt”

Just hours before president-elect Trump receives the full intelligence briefing over the Russian hacking allegations, Nancy Pelosi is convinced – stating that the report is "stunning" and "of course" Russia disrupted the election, there is "no question."

“It’s stunning in its conclusions and you’ll see some of it” though “I wish you could see the entire report”

 

“When you see this report you will see how intelligence has identified what we have seen” and “there is no question that the Russians disrupted and then they released information” on partisan basis

 

“The American people have a right to know what a foreign power did to disrupt the outcome”

 

However, after raising questions once again this morning about the legitimacy of the findings, Trump spoke out in a New York Times interview, raging that the storm surrounding Russian hacking during the presidential campaign is a political witch hunt being carried out by his adversaries, who he said were embarrassed by their loss to him in the election last year.

Mr. Trump spoke to The New York Times by telephone three hours before he was set to be briefed by the nation’s top intelligence and law enforcement officials about Russian hacking of American political institutions.

 

In the conversation, he repeatedly criticized the intense focus on the alleged cyber intrusions by Russia.

 

“China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he said, referring to the breach of computers at the Office of Personnel Management in late 2014 and early 2015. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witch hunt.”

 

“The D.N.C. wouldn’t let them see the servers,” Mr. Trump said. “How can you be sure about hacking when you can’t even get to the servers?” The D.N.C. has previously said the law enforcement agency had not asked to examine the computers.

NYT adds that Mr. Trump said he is looking forward to his meeting Friday afternoon about the hacking by James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence; F.B.I. Director James B. Comey and other intelligence officials.

He said that Mr. Clapper “wrote me a beautiful letter a few weeks ago wishing me the best.”

But he said that “a lot of mistakes were made” by the intelligence community in the past, noting in particular the attacks on the World Trade Center and saying that “weapons of mass destruction was one of the great mistakes of all time.”

Trump concluded with a jab at Obama's current cybersecurity operation in America:

“With all that being said, I don’t want countries to be hacking our country… They’ve hacked the White House. They’ve hacked Congress. We’re like the hacking capital of the world.

We look forward to seeing the unclassified report released later today.. and Trump's initial reaction to his briefing.

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Meet California’s Face of Federal Government Resistance—Eric Holder?

Eric HolderWhen Eric Holder was attorney general for President Barack Obama, the Department of Justice used the federal ban on marijuana possession to arrest and imprison Californians who were legally growing under the state’s medical marijuana laws.

But never mind—that Donald Trump sure is a monster! Concerned about what Trump might do to increase enforcement of immigration laws and to loosen environmental regulations, California’s state legislature has hired Holder from his law firm, Covington & Burling, to serve as outside legal counsel. Mind you, California has a very powerful and expensive crew of state-level attorneys, but what’s an additional $25,000 a month (for now)?

From The New York Times:

[State Senate leader Kevin] de León said he expected California to challenge Washington — and defend itself from policies instituted in Washington — on issues including the environment, immigration and criminal justice. He said California Democrats decided to turn to Mr. Holder as they watched Mr. Trump assemble his cabinet and begin to set the tone for his presidency.

“It was very clear that it wasn’t just campaign rhetoric,” Mr. de León said of Mr. Trump’s proposals over the past year. “He was surrounding himself with people who are a very clear and present danger to the economic prosperity of California.”

They’re going to fight the Trump administration over differences on criminal justice, they say. But there’s no reference to how Holder himself treated California and its citizens when he was attorney general when it came to marijuana enforcement. Or maybe that’s the point? Holder knows full well all the awful things the federal government can do to the citizens of California because he used to be the guy doing it?

That Holder oversaw an agency that sent Californians to federal prison even though what they were doing was legal in the state does make one wonder how (or if) the state would respond if the Trump administration were to initiate a new drug war crackdown now that the Justice Dept. has finally actually backed off. Californians just voted in November to legalize recreational marijuana use, but Trump’s nominee for attorney general, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), is a noted drug warrior.

Hypocrisy aside, perhaps Holder’s involvement will help protect California citizens from harsh federal criminal enforcement. Though, based on the arguments presented by the state, Holder’s involvement is also designed to keep the feds from freeing California citizens from the state’s massive oppressive regulatory apparatuses on environmental and development issues.

Below, watch ReasonTV detail the federal government’s imprisonment of Californian medical marijuana grower Aaron Sandusky under Holder’s watch:

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Trump Set To Receive “Intelligence” Briefing On “Russian Hacking”

After some early confusion on timing, Trump is finally set to receive his “intelligence” briefing from the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan and FBI Director James Comey later this afternoon.  The meeting comes just one day after the same three people briefed the Senate’s Armed Services Committee on their “Russian Hacking” discoveries, which actually turned out to be nothing more than a repeat of the numerous allegations leaked to the mainstream media by “anonymous sources” over the past three weeks.

Of course, the meeting took a bizarre twist earlier this week when Trump suggested via Twitter that it had been pushed back to allow more time “to build a case.”

 

Of course, the entire “Russian hacking” narrative has drawn very serious questions from the start leading many to question whether the intelligence community was on a crusade for the truth or to simply delegitimize President-elect Trump.  One question that has been raised repeatedly is why the Obama administration and intelligence community waited until after the election to assert their very procative claims.  Meanwhile, new details have emerged in recent days that, after allegedly being attacked by vicious “Russian hackers,” the DNC refused to cooperate with the FBI.  Per NBC:

A senior law enforcement official said the FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the importance of obtaining direct access to the servers “only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated.” The official said the FBI had to rely on a “third party” for information, but did get access to the material it needed.

 

The Washington Post, citing anonymous U.S. officials, reported Thursday that intelligence agencies have identified parties who delivered stolen Democratic emails to WikiLeaks. The officials also said there were disparities between efforts to infiltrate Democratic and Republican networks, and said the U.S. intercepted communications in which Russian officials celebrated Trump’s victory. It was not clear which of those details were included in the classified report.

Which prompted Trump to ask the very obvious question of why the DNC would refuse help if they were so certain about Russian hacking from the start?

 

Then there is, of course, the other issue that the “Russian hacking” narrative seems to continue to evolve over time.  At first, Russia was deemed to be the source of Wikileaks’ leaked emails from the DNC and John Podesta.  But after Julian Assange appeared on Fox News earlier this week to assert, once more, that his source was neither the Russian government nor “any state actor”, even this seemingly basic detail of the narrative had to be modified by the “intelligence community.”  As we pointed out yesterday, the new narrative morphed to suggest that while “Russian hackers” stole the data from DNC servers, it was provided to Wikileaks through a “third party.”  So basically, Russia stole DNC emails then provided those stolen emails to a DNC insider who then provided them to Wikileaks…that seems reasonable.

 

And finally there is, of course, the continued collusion between the Obama administration, the “intelligence community” and the mainstream media, which has been crucial in spreading the “Russian hacking” narrative via “anonymous officials” ever since Hillary’s defeat.  The latest evidence of collusion came just yesterday when the Washington Post, CNN and NBC all were seemingly given a sneak peak of the 50 page intelligence report even before President-elect Trump was briefed on it’s findings. 

Which obviously drew even more questions from Trump.

 

Despite the many controversies surrounding the investigation, Trump’s top aides have assured the concerned mainstream media he will maintain an open mind during his briefing this afternoon while confirming that he has “a healthy skepticism of everything.”  We look forward to the live Twitter updates from the President-elect throughout the briefing.

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3 Things Congress Got Wrong in its Fetal Tissue Report

This week marks the end of the House of Representatives panel looking into fetal-tissue procurement by U.S. research companies. Using tissue from aborted fetuses for medical research is legal in America, though profiting off the sale of said tissue is illegal. Despite a 15-months-long investigation into Planned Parenthood practices regarding tissue from aborted fetuses, the now-disbanded Select Investigative Panel could not show that the nonprofit health-care conglomerate made a profit off of fetal-tissue provided to researchers.

The panel’s final report suggests that fetal-tissue procurement companies DV Biologicas and StemExpress may have violated this no-profit mandate, but the most it said about Planned Parenthood was that one of its hundreds of clinics, Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, “may have violated both Texas Law and U.S. Law when it sold fetal tissue to the University of Texas” by using an imprecise or unapproved method of determining reimbursement costs. The matter was referred to the Texas Attorney General’s Office.

Still, the panel recommended that Planned Parenthood be barred from accepting Medicare patients going forward (a move Republicans have misleadingly described as “defunding” Planned Parenthood) and that the National Institutes of Health stop funding fetal tissue research. “Human fetal tissue research makes a vanishingly small contribution to clinical and research efforts,” the panel’s final 413-page report states.

But as Science writer Meredith Wadman points out, several key statements used to support the assertion that the impact of fetal-tissue research has been negligent are wholly and demonstrably false.

Wadman, a veteran science journalist with a medical degree from the University of Oxford, dissected three of these false claims yesterday, starting with the statement that “in over 100 years of unrestricted clinical research, human fetal tissue has failed to provide a single medical treatment.”

In fact, “several important medicines now on the market were created using fetal tissue,” notes Wadman. “Amgen’s Enbrel battles rheumatoid arthritis; Genentech’s Pulmozyme helps children with cystic fibrosis clear the thick mucus that clogs their lungs; and Nuwiq, made by Octapharma, treats boys and men with hemophilia, a life-threatening bleeding disorder.”

Equally untrue: the Congressional panel’s claim that “none of the nearly 75 vaccine formulations currently licensed in the United States is produced using human fetal tissue.”

In reality, “the WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines, derived from two fetuses that were aborted, respectively, in 1962 in Sweden and in 1966 in the United Kingdom, are used to produce” quite a few vaccines that are licensed and marketed in the U.S., notes Wadman. These include vaccines for rabies, chicken pox, shingles, Hepatitis A, polio, rubella, and the adenovirus, produced by pharmaceutical companies including Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi-Pasteur.

Along these same lines, the report’s claim that “human fetal tissue has never been used to make the polio vaccine” is inccorect. Swedish scientists used fetal cells to develop and propagate polio vaccines in the 1950s; Yugoslavia did so in the 1960s; and U.S. polio vaccines made by Pfizer in the 1970s were derived from fetal-cell lines. French pharmaceutical company Sanofi Pasteur still uses polio vaccines derived from cells from an aborted fetus.

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Broad Market Gauge Still Hasn’t Broken Out… Yet

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One of the few indices yet to break out, the NYSE Composite is threatening its all-time highs.

One of the characteristics of the “Trump Rally” has been its breadth of participation. Sure, there have been a few sectors that have lagged badly. However, from a market cap standpoint, most indices, from micro-caps to mega-caps, have scored new all-time highs. It isn’t unanimous, though. A few broad market gauges have not quite made it to new high ground. The Value Line Geometric Composite is one that we mentioned last month. The NYSE Composite is another.

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As the chart shows, the NYSE topped in May 2015 at the 11,240 level. After a tumultuous 19 months, the index finally returned to that level in December. And after a couple weeks of a pullback, it is back testing that level again, closing yesterday at 11,246.

A couple observations: First, we do not ever want to anticipate a breakout. That is, don’t buy something with the assumption that it will break out in case the resistance is too much to overcome. Think about the whole “Dow 20,000″ focus that seemed like an inevitability. Sure, it may still happen but the Dow has spent 4 weeks within inches of the level without yet attaining it. Rest assured that if a security or index does finally break out, there will be plenty of time and profits to reap should it indeed prove to be a successful breakout.

On the other hand, there is reason to be optimistic that the NYSE will indeed breakout. That optimism may partially be fueled by a potential cup-&-handle formation on the NYSE chart. As we’ve discussed on several occasions, this is considered to be a bullish pattern. What does it look like and why is it bullish? The pattern involves 2 parts, generally showing the following characteristics:

The Cup (May 2015-December 2016): This phase includes an initial high on the left side of a chart followed by a relatively long, often-rounded retrenchment before a return to the initial high.

 

The Handle (December 2016-January 2017): This phase involves a shorter, shallower dip in the security and subsequent recovery to the prior highs.

The bullish theory is predicated on the idea that after taking a long time for a stock to return to its initial high during the “cup” phase, the “handle” phase is much briefer and shallower. This theoretically indicates an increased eagerness on the part of investors to buy since they did not allow it to pull back nearly as long or as deep as occurred in the cup phase. Regardless of the theory, the chart pattern has often been effective in forecasting an eventual breakout and advance above the former highs.

Now, many technicians may take exception to the fact that the “handle” in this case is too short and too shallow in proportion to the cup. That is a reasonable protestation on technical grounds. However, the spirit behind the pattern’s typical bullishness remains valid, in our view, and it suggests an eventual breakout.

The post-election “Trump Rally” does not need any more confirmation for purposes of its “validation”. The emphatic new highs in many segments of the market, from small-caps to large-caps, speak for themselves. However, if the NYSE Composite is indeed able to break out to new all-time highs, it would be another feather in the cap for this market. And as with the Value Line Composite, it would certainly mean more than Dow 20,000.

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Cancer Death Rate Continues to Fall: Incidence Declines for Men and Remains Steady for Women

CancerCureSkypixelDreamstimeThe cancer death rate has dropped by 23 percent since 1991, translating to more than 1.7 million deaths averted through 2012, according the latest Cancer Statistics 2016 report from the American Cancer Society (ACS). Cancer incidence – percent of folks who get cancer each year – has also fallen since the early 1990s. The falling incidence trend continues in the latest report for men, declining by 3.1 percent year between 2009 and 2012. However, the cancer incidence rate remained steady for women over that period. A lot the falling rate of cancer incidence can be chalked up to less lung cancer as fewer people smoke and more colonoscopies which prevent colorectal cancer. In addition, the report notes that the recent rapid decline in prostate cancer diagnoses accounts for about one-half of the total incidence decrease in men. The reduction in prostate cancer diagnosis is largely the result new guidelines from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force against routine screening with the PSA test because of growing concerns about high rates of overdiagnosis. It is worth noting that that contrary to the USPST’s blanket recommendation, the American Cancer Society urges men to talk with their physicians about the risks and benefits and decide for themselves whether they want the screening test.

The new ACS also notes that thyroid cancer rates appear to be increasing largely because the advent of more sensitive screening tests that identify lots of cancers in people over age 50 that are not clinically relevant; about 50 percent in women and 40 percent in men.

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The report futher notes:

The lifetime probability of being diagnosed with an invasive cancer is higher for men (42%) than for women (38%). Reasons for increased susceptibility in men are not well understood, but to some extent reflect differences in environmental exposures, endogenous hormones, and probably complex interactions between these influences. Adult height, which is determined by genetics and childhood nutrition, is positively associated with cancer incidence and death in both men and women, and has been estimated to account for one-third of the sex differences in cancer risk.

Being male and standing at 6 feet 5 inches, I’m at higher risk, but the mortality trends give me some scope for optimism. After all, at a conference in 2015, Dr. D. Gary Gilliland, president and director of Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, declared, “It’s actually plausible that in 10 years we’ll have curative therapies for most if not all human cancers.”

With regard to mortality trends, the ACS reports:

The overall cancer death rate rose during most of the 20th century, largely driven by rapid increases in lung cancer deaths among men as a consequence of the tobacco epidemic. Steady reductions in smoking, as well as advances in cancer prevention, early detection, and treatment, have resulted in a 23% drop in the cancer death rate, from a peak of 215.1 (per 100,000 population) in 1991 to 166.4 in 2012. The decline, which is larger in men (28% since 1990) than in women (19% since 1991), translates into the avoidance of approximately 1,711,300 cancer deaths (1,199,200 in men and 512,100 in women) that would have occurred if peak rates had persisted.

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One more takeaway: There is no rising cancer epidemic; much less one that can be attributed to modern technologies like cell phones, genetically modified crops and trace exposures to synthetic chemicals.

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The Republican Plan to Repeal and Replace Obamacare Will Do Neither

For years, Republicans have vowed to repeal and replace Obamacare. GOP leadership in Congress held dozens of symbolic votes to repeal the law, teeing up repeal votes shortly after each election cycle so that newly elected members could report to their constituents that they, too, had voted to repeal the law. Last year, President-elect Donald Trump ran as an avowed opponent of the law, promising to strip it from the books and put in place a different plan—something “terrific.” After the election delivered unified control of Congress and the White House to the GOP, the party’s congressional leadership began to declare that their first act would be to repeal and replace the law, a claim that the administration has repeated.

The repeal and replace of Obamacare, in other words, was—and is—the party’s top domestic policy priority. Yet the GOP’s current plan to repeal and replace the law would do neither.

Instead, it would further destabilize the already foundering individual health insurance market while setting up a political and policy equilibrium that is likely to make more effective reforms even more difficult.

The current Republican plan, as described by GOP aides to Philip Klein of The Washington Examiner, is to repeal the law now, but leave it in place for a transition period of somewhere between two and four years while they work out a replacement, which in theory would come later this year, and might be passed in pieces rather than as a single bill. It is not a plan to repeal and replace, but a plan to repeal and delay, while promising that a replacement plan will come later.

It is a tactically foolish course of action with numerous potential pitfalls and problems—not least of which is that it does not even repeal all of Obamacare.

To understand why, it helps to understand a bit about Senate procedure. Although Republicans have a majority in the Senate, they lack the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster. This means that a repeal bill can only be passed as part of a process known as reconciliation, which allows certain bills to move through the Senate on a simple majority vote. Thanks to a somewhat obscure requirement known as the Byrd Rule, however, reconciliation can only be used on provisions that are directly relevant to the budget. If there is any question about whether a provision passes the Byrd Rule or not, the Senate parliamentarian makes the call.

What Senate Republicans have taken this to mean is that they can repeal Obamacare’s tax and spending provisions—namely its insurance subsidies and the individual mandate, which the Supreme Court ruled was a tax—but not its insurance regulations. Those regulations include provisions requiring insurers to sell to all interested parties and restricting them from charging more to individuals with preexisting conditions.

This is not an unreasonable interpretation of the rule, especially since Republicans, in a legislative test run early last year, got approval from the parliamentarian for a version that repeals the budgetary provisions. However, Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute and Paul Winfree of the Heritage Foundation have made a strong argument that the insurance regulations could be repealed through reconciliation as well, because, as the Obama administration has argued in court, those regulations are inextricably linked to the rest of the law. So far, though, Republicans in Congress have shown no interest in pursuing this argument.

The problem with repealing the mandate and subsidies but leaving those regulations in place is that doing so would decimate the individual market for insurance. Virtually every health policy expert, including those who oppose the law, agrees that this is what would happen. Indeed, it is what has occurred over and over again in states that passed preexisting conditions regulations without a mandate. It is true that the health insurance exchanges set up to facilitate the individual market under Obamacare are already unstable thanks to a sicker, smaller group of enrollees than expected. The Republican repeal plan, however, would exacerbate that instability, and quickly lead to a full-blown collapse.

Or it would if it ever came to fruition. Republicans are attempting to avoid this fate by putting repeal on delay, creating a transition period during which they can work on developing and passing a replacement plan.

Even in the best of circumstances, however, this will lead to a different sort of instability. With Obamacare set to expire in just a few years, and no clear sense of what (if anything) will proceed it, insurance companies, many of which entered the exchange market in hopes of building long-term business, will have even less incentive to participate in the exchanges than they do now—that is, unless the administration provides significant financial incentives for them to stay. The problem with this is that it amounts to the sort of illegal bailout of Obamacare insurers that Republicans have repeatedly criticized and challenged in court.

All of this, of course, is contingent on Republicans actually unifying around and passing replacement legislation. There is no reason to believe that the party will be able to do this in the foreseeable future, even if it sincerely intends to. The GOP has repeatedly promised to craft replacement legislation over the last seven years, and while a number of plans have been developed in varying degrees of specificity, there is nothing like consensus amongst the party’s legislators or influential experts. The fact that the party has settled on the repeal and delay strategy is further proof that no consensus yet exists.

No consensus exists on legislation in large part because there is no consensus amongst the party or its expert class on what the basic goals of American health policy should be. Some Republicans have talked about increasing affordability and accessibility. Others have talked about reducing the size of government while making health care more responsive to market mechanisms.

Still others have talked about finding ways to keep Obamacare’s preexisting conditions regulations in place, and to maintain coverage for those who currently have it under the law. This final group includes Donald Trump and senior members of his incoming administration. This week, for example, Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway stated that people who are currently covered under Obamacare would not lose coverage under any replacement plan, but provided no specifics as to how this would be accomplished. Republicans, with some exceptions, have no idea what their product is, or how to sell it.

Making big promises without providing operational specifics has long been critical to the GOP’s strategy on health care, and it remains so now. When Vice President-elect Mike Pence spoke to Republicans earlier this week, he rallied them behind repeal and replace—yet offered no details about the strategy. As always, the details will come later, which usually means they never come at all.

Republicans, then, could be marching themselves into a quagmire, in which they have repealed Obamacare without actually repealing it, further wrecking or undermining the insurance market in the process, and thus leading to a political environment in which Republicans shoulder the blame, making further reforms even more politically difficult. The current GOP thinking about how to avoid this is to simply blame all the problems on the previous administration, but that’s unlikely to work for very long, and the disruptions could easily last years.

Trump himself is a wild card in this process. He trashed the health care law during the campaign, but he never really appeared to understand how it worked, and he sometimes seemed to want to replace it with provisions that were already in the law. This week, he weighed in to warn Republicans to “be careful” to make sure that “Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster,” seeming to recognize that the politics of repeal were risky for the GOP. So it’s not clear how the image-obsessed president-elect will respond to the sort of political pressure he’s likely to face during any sustained repeal push.

Still: What if, in some sort of late season plot twist (have 2016’s writers been fired?), Republicans did manage to coalesce around a plan in some reasonably speedy fashion? The most likely scenario under which that would happen would involve uniting behind something that looked roughly like the Obamacare replacement framework released by House Republicans earlier this year. The plan (which does not yet have a legislative form) has some virtues, such as the way it expands Health Savings Accounts. But as Cato Institute Health Policy Director Michael Cannon wrote earlier this year, that plan essentially replicates key elements of Obamacare, including a system of refundable health insurance tax credits for lower income individuals who don’t qualify for another government health plan. This would preserve much of Obamacare’s spending, as well as creating a de facto individual mandate, in which those who purchase insurance benefit from a tax break, and those who choose not to are effectively penalized. (The current mandate, thanks to the Supreme Court, is a “tax penalty.”) The GOP plan would also preserve modified versions of the law’s major insurance regulations, and, as Cannon notes, would do so in ways that might function even less well than Obamacare does.

There is precedent for this sort of pseudo-opposition to the law: As governor of Indiana, Mike Pence, who is now Trump’s liaison to Congress, claimed opposition to the federal health law, but expanded Medicaid under its auspices, even while claiming not to be expanding the program. His Medicaid expansion was essentially a deal brokered with health industry lobbyists to funnel federal money to the state’s hospitals that he then described as a “market-based” health reform.

So even if Republicans did, somehow, manage to repeal and replace Obamacare, they might well end up with a plan that mirrors the law’s major provisions—replacing Obamacare with a flawed but more GOP-friendly version of, well, Obamacare, which may or may not be much improvement over the original. At that point, why bother? (Indeed, there is already informed speculation that Republicans could simply end up agreeing to modify the law, creating a kind of Obamacare Lite, rather than fully repealing and replacing it.)

Republicans have talked about repealing and replacing Obamacare for years, but it’s not clear that many of them ever thought much about how they would do so or what the consequences might be. At this point, it’s enough to make you wonder whether the GOP really wants to repeal and replace Obamacare—or simply say they did.

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