NBC’s Brian Williams Gets Exclusive with Edward Snowden

NBC anchor Brian Williams has landed an exclusive interview with
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. It will be Snowden’s first
American television interview.  Williams traveled to Moscow
this week to speak with both Snowden and Glenn Greenwald for an
hour-long special that will air during primetime on May
28th. 

But before Edward Snowden, there was another NSA whistleblower.
That man was William Binney. Binney was a technical expert hired by
the NSA and in 2002—11 years before Snowden leaked documents that
rocked the intelligence world—Binney and his colleagues went to
Congress and the Department of Defense warning them that the NSA
was violating Americans’ constitutional rights and that the agency
should be investigated.  

Earlier this year, Nick Gillespie sat down for a tell-all
interview with Binney. The video was originally released on January
10, 2014 and the original writeup is below: 

“Where I see it going is toward a totalitarian state,”
says William
Binney. ”You’ve got the NSA doing all this collecting of
material on all of its citizens—that’s what the SS, the Gestapo,
the Stasi, the KGB, and the NKVD did.”

Binney is talking about the collection of various forms of
personal data on American citizens by the National Security Agency (NSA),
where he worked for 30 years before quitting in 2001 from his
high-placed post as technical leader for intelligence. A registered
Republican for most of his life, Binney volunteered for military
service during the Vietnam War, which led to his being hired by the
NSA in the early ’70s.

In 2002—long before the revelations of Edward Snowden rocked the
world—Binney and several former colleagues went to Congress and the
Department of Defense, asking that the NSA be investigated. Not
only was the super-secretive agency wasting taxpayer dollars on
ineffective programs, they argued, it was broadly violating
constitutional guarantees to privacy and due process.

The government didn’t just turn a blind eye to the agency’s
activities; it later accused the whistleblowers of leaking state
secrets. A federal investigation of Binney—including an FBI search
and seizure of his home and office computers that destroyed his
consulting business—exonerated him on all charges.

“We are a clear example that [going through] the proper channels
doesn’t work,” says Binney, who approves of Edward Snowden’s
strategy of going straight to the media. At the same time, Binney
criticizes Snowden’s leaking of documents not directly related to
the NSA’s surveillance of American citizens and violation of
constitutional rights. Binney believes that the NSA is vital to
national security but has been become unmoored due to technological
advances that vastly extend its capabilities and leadership that
has no use for limits on government power. ”They took that
program designed [to prevent terrorist attacks] and used it to spy
on American citizens and everyone else in the world,” flatly
declares Binney (33:30).

Binney sat down with Reason TV’s Nick Gillespie to discuss
“Trailblazer”, a data-collection program which was used on American
citizens (1:00), why he thinks the NSA had the capability to stop
the 9/11 attacks (7:00), his experience being raided by the FBI in
2007 (12:50), and why former President Gerald Ford, usually
regarded as a hapless time-server, is one of his personal villians
(41:25).

Approx. 50 minutes.

Produced by Amanda Winkler. Camera by Todd Krainin and
Winkler. 

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